Q & A

Q & A
Below are some of the questions I am asked frequently 
and some information I would like to provide
Email: shirley@bignest.com

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Preparing for your new bird   , First Day Home

Where is Bignest Aviary Located?

Do you ship?

Bignest Aviary is located on a ranch near Shiner, Texas.  We are in South Central Texas approximately 75 miles South of Austin, 85 miles East of San Antonio and 125 mile West of Houston.  Please call or email for directions to the ranch.  If not then bring a cell phone so you can call if you get lost. Yes, we ship with Continental Airlines out of the Austin, Texas Airport.
Continental ships live animals in a pressurized, climate controlled area.  

Is Shipping Safe?

Where do I pick up my bird at the airport?

Yes, shipping in a pressurized, climate controlled area is quite safe.   Birds, just like humans, may tire from a long day of travel and will need food, water and rest when they arrive at their final destination. We only ship Continental.  Unless you are within a 6 hour drive, shipping by air is less stressful than an extended car trip. BEFORE your bird arrives you need to check with your individual airport.  Some will pick up at the cargo office and others in the main terminal near the baggage pick up area.  We try to provide that information with your shipping itinerary.

Your First Bird purchase?

First Pet Internet Purchase?

     If this is your first parrot please do your research before making a decision and placing a deposit.  This purchase will be a long term commitment to a beautiful, intelligent creature that will be totally dependant upon you.  It will be your responsibility to supply it with a home and it's needs for the rest of your life as these birds may out live you!  

     If you are not willing or financially able to make that commitment PLEASE do not make a purchase.  That would not be fair to you or one of these wonderful babies.

     This can be a scary experience.  These birds cost a great deal of money and you are sending a deposit to a perfect stranger.  If you need a reference please just ask.  If you feel uncomfortable with my process please don't send a deposit.

    I have tried to put as much information about myself and our aviary with  pictures so you can see what kind of facility your bird will be coming from.  I have no problem with someone visiting the ranch but no one is allowed *inside* the bird buildings for many reasons - disease being one reason and breeder birds get extremely upset in the presence of strangers.

Not sure which species?

Our Breeding Season

    Timneh vs. Congo vs. B&G Macaw.  This is a decision you need to give a great deal of thought.  I have supplied information on this website about each of these species (links below).  Please read what I have written and research other websites.  Ask other bird owners questions.  You need to have your mind made up BEFORE you put down a deposit. 

http://www.bignest.com/african.htm
http://www.bignest.com/congo.htm

http://www.bignest.com/timneh.htm

http://www.bignest.com/macaw.htm

Our Timneh African Greys -  Lay / hatch  Dec to June

Our Congo African Greys - Lay/ hatch  Dec to June

B&G Macaws - Lay and hatch  Dec to June or July

As you can see they are very seasonal.  Most generally all the Timneh's and Congo's are sold and or sent home by May/June.   Macaws are usually later.  No year is the same.
We are a small aviary and have a limited number of babies each season.

Can I visit my bird before it is weaned?

I am picking up my bird

Yes, 2 or 3 visits while the baby is being hand fed are fine.  Please call to make sure I am available for the day and time you want to visit.
Before your visit -
Call a day or 2 in advance
Call for directions
Please wear clothes and shoes that have not been around other birds or poultry
Do not go to a petstore, bird show or any facility housing birds before your visit
Make sure you bring a safe, proper carrier to take your bird home.  Babies will not leave in unsafe carriers.   I almost always have carriers on hand you can purchase.
Carriers can also be purchased at WalMart and other places.
Timneh & Congo size - 19x13x12 - $18

Macaw size - 25x17x17 - $30.00
For bird customers ONLY

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Your bird must be paid in full before it leaves

Please allow a minimum of 1 hour for introduction to your bird and instructions for its care.

Will I have to hand feed my bird?

What does Weaned mean?

    You should not have to hand feed your baby BUT these are *Babies* and they are going to a new place, with strange people, new sounds different routine etc.   Most adapt fairly well in the first couple days and others may take a bit longer.  They may miss the other babies they were with here, they will miss me and some warm mushy food will make them feel more comfortable.  You should be prepared  just in case you have a baby that needs a bit more nurturing to make the transition.

     The object is to keep the baby eating so it will not get sick and will continue to grow to it's potential and of course to adjust to it new environment.  You will need soft foods such as fruits and veggies as well as Roudybush and/or Zupreme Fruit Blend Medium pellets for Greys and Large pellets for Macaws.  If you want to change pellets do it gradually before you run out of the Roudybush and Zupreme I will provide.  

     Weaning is a transition from depending on soft warm formula in the syringe to eating vegetables, fruits, and eventually seed and or pellet on their own.  When a baby can sufficiently feed itself it is weaned.

    Our birds are abundantly weaned.  They are not force weaned.  That is why I cannot predict an exact weaning date.  All birds wean on their own schedule and in their own time frame.  We encourage the babies to eat other things while being handfed.  We introduce fruits, veggies, Zupreme Fruit Blend and Roudybush pellets.

When babies leave here they are eating on their own without depending on the formula in the syringe - WEANED.  No bird will be shipped before it is weaned.

What does Handfed mean?

Do you incubate eggs?

These parrots do not eat on their own when hatched like chickens do.  Their parents eat food and regurgitate to feed their babies.   After a few weeks with their parents the babies are taken from the nest and I continue the feeding process but with a warm mushy special formula, Zupreme Embrace Plus, fed with a specially designed syringe without a needle.

Hand feeding makes these babies extremely tame and trusting of humans.

 

I try to let parent birds incubate, hatch and feed their babies for the first few weeks.  Occasionally that is not possible.  I monitor eggs and hatched babies very closely.  On occasion it is necessary to remove eggs or babies from the nest early.  

A violent storm can upset parent birds to the point that they actually grip the eggs putting toe nail holes in the eggs.  The eggs must then be removed, repaired and incubated until hatched.  Some parents are extremely protective of their young and for the safety of the babies they are remove at a young age.  

A stranger in the area of the breeders or in their building can be a disaster.  Some parent birds will feel so threatened they will actually eat their eggs or young to keep a predator from getting them.  This is why NO ONE is allowed in the Aviary Buildings. 

Training Health Guaranty?

YOU are responsible in the training and behavior of your bird.
Please do your homework and learn what you can do to achieve 
the best possible  pet potential and safety for your new baby.  
A parrot is a lifetime commitment.
You must set limits from the beginning.  A baby needs time to itself to learn how to play and entertain itself.  If held for several hours a day it will expect that treatment always and complain if it doesn't get it.
They are also flock creatures and must be in and around all of the activity in 
the household or they will scream for their new flock to come to them.  
They need to see and hear you.

Our baby birds come with a 3 day limited health guarantee from the day  of shipment. You are given the opportunity to take your bird at your  expense to a certified avian veterinarian to perform a health examination  within 72 hours of arrival time. Should a health problem be determined  that cannot be cured or is cost prohibitive, we will, at our discretion,  replace the bird with one of the same kind, or refund your money. We do  reserve the right to get a second opinion at our expense. Birds are not  returnable except under these conditions set out in this health guarantee.  Any purchase of any of our birds indicates acceptance of this guarantee.  Please schedule a vet appointment for your bird the day it arrives or the next day.

We do NOT take our babies to public exhibitions  nor to "bird marts", or outside hand feeders,  therefore our babies are NOT exposed to birds from other facilities.

Why won't you sell me an un-weaned baby?

    I am sure many are capable of hand feeding. 

BUT

What if you accidentally fed the formula too hot and burned a hole in the baby's crop?  Do you know what temperature to feed?  Do you know how much to feed?  Do you know how to mix the formula? 

What if you fed too cold and the baby got sour crop?  Do you know how to recognize sour crop?

Do you have a brooder to keep the baby at the proper temperature?  If not it may get a bacterial infection.  

What if it quits eating, would you know what was wrong or what to do?

I can assure you this is not a 3 time a day chore.  Small babies eat every 2 hours all day long and as they grow the time in between feedings increases.

What if the baby stopped bobbing for feed and took a breath while you were putting formula in his mouth?   He would die within seconds.

Are you willing to take the risk of a baby bird dying in your hands because of inexperience or a slight mistake while it looks at you with big eyes?  I am NOT willing to take that chance.  I have had too many people who have purchased un-weaned babies from who knows where, call and say "What should I do, my baby is sick?".  You will have plenty to teach your baby and much bonding time after he is weaned.

If you are insistent upon buying an un-weaned baby I am sure you can find someone to sell you one.  If you do buy one make sure you get a phone number where you can reach them day and night and also have the number of an avian vet on hand.  If you have a problem you need to be able to get immediate advice/help from the person responsible for selling you the un-weaned bird.

It is the responsibility of the breeder/hand feeder to provide you with a weaned, healthy, happy baby.  
Please let me do my job.  Don't ask me to sell you an un-weaned baby.  The answer will be
NO.

Newly Weds? PLEASE READ

Feather Tips

     When couples first marry they have a tendency to acquire a pet early on in their marriage that they treat as their first child UNTIL they actually have a human baby.
     Unfortunately when the baby arrives the pet either gets forgotten or gotten rid of.  The baby will sneeze and the doctor will say allergies, get rid of your pets.  The new Mom will get baby to sleep and the Parrot will scream and startle the baby and Mom will say parrot has to go.  And it goes on and on.  I see it all the time.
     Please do not buy one of these beautiful sensitive creatures as your first child before you actually have children.  They will only be put on the back burner eventually when a baby arrives and perhaps tossed out the door.

I am sorry but I prefer NOT to sell a bird to a young newly wed, childless couple.  I want good permanent homes for these birds.

Someone asked why a younger baby has such perfect feathers and a baby a bit older has rough feathers.  Baby bird feathers are brittle and easily frayed and broken.  Young birds play rough and can be a bit clumsy breaking and messing up their feathers.  Also young birds aren't too particular about their feathers like older birds are.  After they have their first molt at about 6 months their feathers come in stronger and more brilliant if on a good diet.  Also at that time the babies begin to take better care of their feathers and appearance.

Avoiding broken tail feathers.  Many times a young macaw will break their tail feathers and most of the time it is from a fall in their cage.  Common causes for young macaws falling are nails clipped so they are not sharp on their owners arms.  Unfortunately when they have dull nails they cannot get a good grip on a perch.  Also a wooden dowel as a perch for a young macaw is too slick or any slick perch and can cause a fall.  I always keep a rope hung from the top of the inside of young bird cage that hangs in front of their perch so they have something to grab on to steady themselves and this helps prevent falls and tail damage.  Unfortunately no matter what precautions you may take there are some babies who will just break their brittle baby tail feathers.  Not to worry, after they are about 6 months old and go through their first molt the tail feathers will return stronger.

How should I hold my bird?

These birds are extremely intelligent.  YOU must be in control.  Once you allow your bird to be in charge you have lost control.  When holding your bird on your arm/hand do NOT allow your bird to go to the top of your head.  To keep physical control learn how to properly hold a large bird.  This hold is used for both Macaws and Greys.  See the picture below.

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At what age do they wean?

At what age do they breed?

Congo Greys............... 12 to 20 weeks

Timneh Greys..............12 to 16 weeks

B&G Macaws...............14 to 20 weeks 

All of these are approximate and every baby is different.

In my experience I have found - 

Timneh African Greys begin breeding at 4 to 5 years of age

Congo African Greys begin breeding at 5 to 7 year of age

Blue & Gold Macaws begin breeding at 7 to 9 years of age     

Do all Greys and B&G Macaws talk?     

If I don't hand feed will my bird bond to me?

     They all have the ability to talk.  Not all talk but most do.  Some just like to mimic sounds.  It all depends on the bird and how much time you spend talking to your bird.  They learn from you.  If you seldom talk to your bird it may not talk to you much either.  Your bird may not begin to talk until it is a year old and by the time it is 2 will have learned how to master it's voice and mimic many words & sounds.  In addition to talking it will learn how to mimic the microwave, telephone ringing, dogs barking, police car siren, snoring, coughing, and the list goes on and on.

     Absolutely. It is NOT necessary to hand feed a baby for it to bond to you.  It is the experienced breeder/hand feeder's responsibility to provide you with a fully weaned healthy baby.  It is your responsibility to keep that baby healthy, happy and socialized.   

Once a baby leaves the breeder/hand feeder it will be looking for the special attention it was getting.  It will look to you for that attention.  You will have to convince the bay you can be trusted and are gentle and kind.

Male or Female?

Are babies allowed to fledge?

     Both sexes of Congo Greys, Timneh Greys & B&G Macaws are of equal intelligence, affection and talking ability.  All are individuals.  Both visually look the same.  Both are great companions.  The males of all species tend to be slightly larger.  The major difference is females can lay eggs and males can't!  That is why it is very important to know the sex of your companion parrot.

Yes, a female can lay eggs without a male.  The eggs will not hatch unless there is a male.  It is important to provide a calcium rich diet for all African Greys but especially important to provide calcium for a female so she doesn't become egg bound.  Egg binding can cause death.  An improper diet and lack of calcium can also cause a female to prolaps which in many cases can cause death.  A soft shelled egg is a sure sign of lack of calcium.  If this occurs an immediate visit to the vet is important.  Females may begin laying at approx. 5 to 6 years for a Grey and 7+ years for a B&G Macaw.  NOT all pet females lay eggs BUT it is possible and it is important to be aware so if she has problems you can inform your vet you have a female. 

    We feel it is important to know the sex of your bird therefore ALL of our babies are DNA sexed and you will be provided with the DNA papers.

Yes, all baby birds are encouraged and allowed to fledge/fly.

Fledging is a part of the learning process.  As soon as the babies begin trying to climb out of their baby tubs they are placed in a human baby's net sided playpen for a few hours a day.  They get allot of exercise playing with toys and trying to climb to the top.  If they make a mistake they fall on the padded playpen floor.  

Once they feel comfortable climbing to the top and climbing back down they get a bit braver.  Eventually they are leaping off the side down into the playpen and they ease their fall by flapping their wings.  Before long they are flying to the top of the playpen.

As we get closer to going to new homes I clip the babies' wing feathers so they will have time to adjust to a wing feather clip before they go to their new home.  I feel it is safer for all going to a new unfamiliar place and new environment to have the baby's wing feathers clipped.

Do African Greys and Macaws make noise?

Do African Greys and Macaws bite?

     Yes, Macaws can be noisy at times.  Usually they will sound off in the morning and in the evening about sun set.  Macaws are NOT apartment birds.  If you are out of sight, they see you leave or are excited when you arrive back home they may let out a macaw call.

     African Greys are relatively quiet birds as far as being noisy but will talk allot.  They can be kept in an apartment.

     Yes, these birds can bite and bite hard.  Most generally they do not bite unless scared or provoked.   Most never bite to where they draw blood but will at one time or another nip/pinch sometimes during play.   If you are afraid of a big beak I would not suggest one of these birds because the bird will sense you are afraid of it.  And of course I would not suggest putting a finger in it's beak to test the bite!

     Small children with small fingers should NEVER be left unattended with one of these birds.

BIRD BREAD RECIPE

You can cut this recipe in half or whatever but will give you the idea

2 bags of corn bread mixes/packets like Jiffy (Mine like the Mexican Mix)

2/3 cups milk  OR orange juice with added calcium

3 eggs


1  cups frozen mixed veggies (thawed in hot water and drained) - these
can also be fed after thawing in warm water for their daily veggie - I
always keep this on hand for when I don't have fresh - keep a large bag in
the freezer and only take out what you need each day - they love them
slightly warm - DO NOT microwave - this can create hot spots
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I add to the above one or more of the following (not all) -

1/2 cup peanut butter

1/4 cup raisins

1/8 cup sesame seed (provides calcium) if you have it. It can be purchased in bulk in stores where they have bulk bins.

1/2 cup shredded cheddar cheese (provides calcium)

1 cup cottage cheese (provides calcium)
and the list goes on - just use your imagination.

Bake in Pam sprayed 13 x 9 x 2 cake pan - 425 degrees approx. 25 min.
Cut in small squares (approx. 1 1/2" x 1 1/2") when cool.
Squares can be frozen in zip lock and thawed individually for daily feeding.
All my birds love it.

Foods for Your New Baby

This bird is just a baby and may cry to be held or for warm foods until it adjusts to its new home, much like a puppy or kitten would act when put into a new home. Please provide it with a few toys to occupy it’s time while in its cage. It enjoys being held and talked to.

Your baby has not been weaned long and you will need to provide it with a dish (1/2 - 3/4 cup and adjust amount according to what he eats) of soft foods especially in the mornings & late afternoon, along with his dry foods (seed & pellets). Make sure your bird has food and clean water at all times.  All of our babies have learned to use Lixit water bottles.

If you feed pellets DO NOT feed *Vitamin Fortified Seed*. This is the seed mix with colored seeds. You can overdose on vitamins - pellets already have all the vitamins in them. 

For convenience, frozen small mixed vegetables can be fed. Just take out of the freezer the amount you need, thaw and warm in hot tap water and feed. DO NOT microwave as this will cause hot spots in the food and can burn the baby. I use either the mix of small vegetables that has corn, beans, peas, carrots, etc., and/or the mixture of cauliflower, carrots and broccoli.

Bird Bread - he knows this food and will eat it readily (recipe above)
Sweet potato baked or micro waved, cooled and cut in chunks. You can leave the skin on.
Cooked popcorn - soak popcorn for several hours or overnight, rinse then boil until softened.
Spiral veggie pasta - cooked or raw
Apples - chunked - no seeds
Grapes - oranges - bananas
Carrots - raw or cooked
Broccoli - raw or cooked
Sweet Corn - on the cob raw or cooked
Cooked rice with some thawed and warmed mixed small veggies
Shelled almonds for calcium
Multigrain or Honey Nut Cheerios
Mashed potatoes, Macaroni & Cheese or Spaghetti if you have it for dinner
A small cube of white chicken
Animal crackers for a treat
and the list goes on

Installing a Lixit Water Bottle 

When installing a Lixit water bottle make sure the flaps on the holder top are on top.  When you push the wire down it will snap.  When you try to lift the wire up to remove the bottle you must squeeze the wire together to get it up.  If the wire moves up easily bend the flaps with a pair of pliers a bit.  If the flaps are installed upside down your bird will be able to remove the bottle when out of it's cage.

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What size and kind of cage - Grey? What size and kind of cage - Macaw?
Remember bigger is not always better.  A very large cage for a Grey that is not properly wing clipped and is frightened to the point it has fright flight can be disastrous.  I have had reports of both Greys and Macaws when frightened flying into the side of a cage and breaking their neck.  If a cage is large enough the bird can get enough momentum to seriously injure  itself.  Also you do not want a macaw type cage with extreme height to accommodate the tail of a macaw.  A young Grey falling off a perch in such a cage can be seriously injured.  And bars are spaced in a macaw cage for Macaws not Greys. 

The minimum size I would recommend for a Timneh is 24' wide x 24" deep x 27" high (inside dimensions of cage) 3/4" bar spacing

The minimum I would recommend for a Congo is 32" wide x 23" deep x 30 high (inside dimensions of cage) 3/4" bar spacing

There are many good cages out there.  I am not selling cages at this time.

Remember this is going to be your bird's home for a very long time.

There are many good cages out there.  There is a big range of prices.  Just remember safety is you main concern when purchasing a cage.  Although scroll work on a cage is pretty it can be lethal for a bird.

The Minimum size I would recommend for a Macaw is 40 wide x 30 deep by 45" high (inside cage dimensions) 1" bar spacing.  Macaws need the inside height to accommodate their long tail.

I prefer the play top cages that have feed cups on top of the cage for both  young Macaw and Greys. Young birds are usually so happy playing when out of their cage they forget to or will not go back in their cage all day for food or water.  If they have the play top with feed cups they always have access to food and water.  

On the other hand a Dometop will provide more room on the inside of the cage.  If you choose a dometop make sure you monitor your young bird and make sure it is taking a break now and then to get food and water.

Stainless steel cages are of course the most durable and safest.  Next choice is powder coating.  Make sure whatever cage you buy has a SAFE finish because all except stainless steel will chip.

What if my reserved bird, is injured, dies or has an obvious defect?

WHERE TO PLACE YOUR CAGE

It is seldom that any of these things happen but they have on occasion. 

If anything happens to your reserved bird before it leaves Bignest you will be notified and it will be replaced with another bird.  If there is no bird to replace it you will be given the opportunity to wait for the next hatch or given a full refund.

Although rare a baby macw may have a slight defective beak.  This isn't noticable until several weeks old.  If your bird shows any sign of defect before it is weaned, you will be notified and give detail of the defect.  You will have the choice to continue the purchase at a discount price or another bird if one is available or a refund.

These birds are flock birds.  They want to be in a place where they can see, hear and participate in all that goes on in your home.  A sleeping cage in another room might work for some and not for others.  Most will fall asleep in the middle of a busy area when they feel the need to go to sleep.

If you find your bird is screaming when you place it in it's cage it is probably because it can't see you.  It will call to it's flock when they are out of sight.

Make sure you have enough toys to keep it's curiosity, mind and beak busy.  A few destructible toys (wood) are essential for a good healthy beak.

A good resource for information

Gillian's Desk

Gillian Willis is a pharmacist and toxicologist. 
She is considered an "expert" in matters of poisoning and toxic substances.

Recommended Reading

I will be adding more information as I have time

Email: shirley@bignest.com

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